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NCDD-DISCUSSION  August 2010, Week 3

NCDD-DISCUSSION August 2010, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Seeking help on a new course in participatory democracy

From:

"Seigfried, Ray" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Seigfried, Ray

Date:

Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:53:23 -0400

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Gregoire, Barnett and Howard,
A question raised by Gregoire is one that I also have that being, Where
does Bohm Dialogue fit with D&D? At the very first conference held in
Washington DC Lee Nichol held a three day Bohmian dialogue and several
years later in Denver Lee and I held a session on Bohm dialogue but
since that time I have not seen much conversation on Bohm. I think it is
an important concern but one that each member must answer. I am
wondering if there exist enough interest in this type of dialogue to
continue this conversation further but in a different way? Any ideas? 
Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: Rogier Gregoire [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 5:02 AM
To: Barnett Pearce; Seigfried, Ray; Howard Ward
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [NCDD-DISCUSSION] Seeking help on a new course in
participatory democracy
Importance: High


It seems to me that this conversation is at cross purposes if it is an  
attempt to fit Bohmian Dialogue into the narrow and essentially  
entropic notion of "participatory democracy". The existing political  
system is driven by a need to achieve consensus, not understanding.  
Dialogue, particularly Bohmian dialogue, is aimed at promoting  
understanding not necessarily consensus.

(I say necessarily because there may be some level of consensus in the  
early stages of a bohmian dialogue but it is never an end in itself  
only a temporary means that hopefully one can evolve through on the  
way to mutual understanding.)

Dialogue has taken on many different forms within NCDD over the years,  
all to fit a particular framework of point of view that seems to work  
in a particular situation or to answer a public demand but I have  
seldom seen or experienced an effort at understanding in the way that  
Bohmian Dialogue and David Bohm suggested in this community.  
Partially, because the (society) community of NCDD finds diversity at  
any level abhorrent ( or at least difficult) and has little tolerance  
of and for the inevitable and infinite diversity of human interests.  
Ironically, the diversity of forms of dialogue forms within NCDD seem  
to be infinitely diverse.

I see the notion of diversity as an essential and critical aspect of  
humanity, if not the universe. All Bohmian Dialogue seems to promote  
(IMHO) is an understanding of this essential diversity.

On the other hand and for the most part, debate is a zero sum game  
that even denies (in its classical form) the right of the participants  
to determine who wins and who loses. Debate does make for passionate  
and reasoned conversation but it seldom promotes transformation or a  
more inclusive understanding of the issues at hand (IMHO).

If we (I) want to promote participatory democracy the (my) first  
effort in that direction ought (presumptuously) to be to driven by an  
acceptance of the inherent diversity of a democracy and the holistic  
foundation upon which it rests.

There are two realities in every human life, one is objective and  
reflects the common experiences that we share with one another either  
by contract or conditioning and the other is the subjective reality  
that is constructed intuitively within our individual and  
idiosyncratic notions of self. One promotes the questions, "what is  
this?" and the other "who and I?" The two questions are  inseparable  
and inextricable bound together. Bohmian dialogue is a practice that  
helps to answer both questions, first individually and then and  
hopefully, collectively.

Your faithful servant,

Rogier Gregoire

  

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