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NCDD-DISCUSSION  March 2013, Week 3

NCDD-DISCUSSION March 2013, Week 3

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Re: Revisiting the national dialogue project Let's Talk America

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All: I have a general agreement with Paul about not reinventing wheels and using what's already in place. But in the tradition of the "yes, and..." I hasten to add that the timing and stage/phase of discussion places some serious limits around election-linked discussions. If one is hoping for deeply deliberative and conceptual discussion around what parts of our civic and governance life could benefit from some deconstruction and reinvention, elections are not a particularly fertile environment. As we approach elections most citizens seem to be narrowing choices and choosing up sides in a way that pushes fundamental governance questions off the table. Somewhere, someplace, we need to examine what Parker Palmer might call the heart of our democratic practice. That heart gets short shrift in the fright and panic of lesser evilism in our elections system. Dennis Boyer

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From: "Paul Vandeventer" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 1:32am
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Subject: Re: [NCDD-DISCUSSION] Revisiting the national dialogue project Let's Talk America

Friends - I'm a partisan of using the energy and architecture of the existing, already funded infrastructure wherever possible. In the case of policy issues, the reliably regular and well funded infrastructure of state, local and federal elections offers the best architecture on which to hang all sorts of dialogue and discussion. The sum of election-timed D&D needs to be at least in part working to build participant understanding of the connection between what they are talking about and the issues in political contention at that moment. Elections have a nice way of framing community because elections happen in small-scale jurisdictional units (smallest unit = precinct). It helps in defining community  and community values to first get the beat handle possible on the geography of community and the people who live in that geography. This may seem overly simple, but facts on the ground and what is going on locally can rouse engagement faster than struggling first at reaching values-based agreement about abstract notions of spirituality, moral connection, etc. In this sense, I subscribe to Dewey's ideas laid out in "The Public and Its Problems."

Paul Vandeventer
Community Partners
www.CommunityPartners.org<http://www.CommunityPartners.org>

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On Mar 10, 2013, at 8:20 PM, "Juanita Brown" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

Hi all,

I've been thinking back to the original hopes we had when we who were stewarding the World Cafe joined with Conversation Cafes and NCDD to foster national dialogues across partisan lines with Let's Talk America (and later to support Joseph McCormick and the Reuniting America initiative).

To me, one of the major learnings of that effort (and I share Sandy's observations) was not so much getting gatherings to happen--which had limited success because of all the partisan dynamics and self-organizing dilemmas others have mentioned--but also that to have a truly national scale conversation may require (I'm just brainstorming off the top of my head):

-LOCAL communities and/or neighborhoods (the locus of large scale systems change for the future, I think) to find whatever the national topic is compelling and relevant at the local level. Gun violence, for example, might be that kind of issue for many local communities.

- ARCHITECTURES OF ENGAGEMENT WITH COMMON FRAMING AND QUESTIONS while using diverse methodologies. Bruce Schuman's reflections on the use of community as the core unit of democracy within an "inspiriting" frame offer one beautiful doorway in this regard.

-OPTIONS TO CONNECT VIA TECH PLATFORMS that are now available.  For example, I've participated in global womens as well as global business summits that had many hundreds of people participating from dozens of countries and communities on the Maestro Conference platform (and I'm sure there are other great ones)...in ways that were both intimate AND large scale. They, however, did not have infrastructures for harvesting in place as that was not their intent.

-INFRASTRUCTURE FOR HARVESTING the key ideas and themes that are expressed.  Carolyn's America Speaks does this in real time--but for local conversations to have impact, the outcomes and perspectives offered would need to be harvested, synthesized, and connected.

-THE REAL POSSIBILITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE -- Local community members would need to feel that not only were their conversations relevant to their own local situation, but that what they generated was part of something larger that could make a difference at the national level if they participated in linked conversations.  I recall a situation not too long ago that related to the national policy on homelessness....and within a couple of weeks, conversations were organized in a number of US cities using a variety of methodologies (through the Art of Hosting and World Cafe communities of practice) that helped to shape policy going forward.

-PRACTICAL/INNOVATIVE IDEAS-- there would need to be opportunities to both contribute to and learn from others about practical  paths forward and out of the box solutions that might be useful across local communities as well as at the national level.

--INTERGENERATIONAL PARTICIPATION -- there is something about having multiple generations in the conversation that shifts the dynamics in these gatherings.  Having "the next generations" present, especially if the youngers also have process skills makes "the olders" somehow more respectful.

-NEW MEDIA ENGAGEMENT -- I'm not sophisticated in this area, but it seems that creating the "buzz" could be enhanced, especially across generations through these means.

--RESOURCING FOR EARLY EXPERIMENTS -- Sandy, you mentioned the dilemmas in resourcing our early Let's Talk America initiative.  There was some initial support (if I recall from Fetzer) for materials development, but not for the kind of infrastructure for harvesting the knowledge coming from the dialogues, nor for the training of local hosts etc.

These are initial thoughts late in the evening after a long day.  I'd love to hear others perspectives on what you feel might be the minimum elegant requirements for successful national conversations that would have people across the country on the edge of their seats, wanting to both contribute to and learn from what other communities are sharing and discovering.

Thanks Sandy, for initiating this conversation!

With warm regards,
Juanita


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On Mar 8, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Bruce Schuman wrote:

THE SPIRIT OF COMMUNITY: STRATEGY FOR NATIONAL DIALOGUE

Thanks so much to Sandy and NCDD and all the brave determined idealistic hopeful pioneers who are spearheading the vision for a national dialogue that works –

I just read through the blog responses on this thread at http://ncdd.org/11055 -- and I want quickly offer an idea that is emerging for me on this theme.

More or less – the idea is: the hope for developing a new all-perspectives balanced national political conversation that pulls together “all sides of all issues in a graceful well-mediated and informed creative dialogue” – is a noble thing, and probably a goal many of us share.  Many, I think, would argue that not only is this kind of conversation desirable – but maybe essential if we are to keep our national governance healthy and in balance. And something like this dialogue becomes technically feasible if nurtured or coordinated through an internet-based “national dialogue infrastructure”.  The internet today can support such things, and NCDD has convened a number of programmers and technical developers working in this area.  And, I would guess, many of us are hoping that a national movement could be incubated through the collaborative work of NCDD visionaries and developers, reaching out in many directions, identifying “what works”, and pulling these pieces into a national integrated framework that might connect many “community conversations” or special-purpose issue-centric discussions.

There is a lot bubbling up on these themes – a lot of new ideas and initiatives.  One important area might be “slow democracy”, as introduced here a month or so ago.  http://slowdemocracy.org/  There are several groups here in Santa Barbara that are exploring overlapping aspects of this approach.  How can all this idealistic motivation and hopeful energy be catalyzed into an effective national movement?

Spearheading an opening

The way this looks to me is – what is probably needed is a way to “build a buzz” – about something people can believe in.  In a prevailing national context of apathy and anger, start getting people excited and believing that “something new and hopeful is emerging” and get them to show up – or at least agree to connect or participate in a minimal way.  Do this by identifying individuals and groups already at the creative edge of collaborative community, and start forging an alliance there.  Today, as far as I can tell, what often tends to happen is that idealistic developers want to go directly to partisan groups and invite representatives to a common table.   Joseph McCormick has been doing this for years, and I had a good discussion with “Let’s Talk America” co-coordinator Leif Utne before one of Joseph’s meetings a couple of years ago in Seattle.  This is certainly important and pioneering work.

But taking this direct route is difficult.  It’s confrontational, depends on excellent mediation, and can quickly overload on the “too many issues at once” problem.  Yes, people can get to know each other, and the broader vision does move forward – slowly.  But issues are so complex today, and so heated and so interdependent, and there are so many of them, it can be difficult or impossible to move beyond the initial introductory stages when we initiate the project by directly bringing highly diverse stakeholders to a common table in a point-blank way with a limited time-frame.

The idea that is gradually emerging for me – is that the strategy for developing national transpartisan dialogue might be much stronger if it unfolds from a vision of community that is presented as a new hope for American democracy, as based on the ideals of “unity in diversity” and the creativity inherent in diversity, etc.  So, this strategy might be organized under a name like “The Spirit of Community” (as per the book by Amitai Etzioni), and might be initiated through the sensitive development of a kind of community alliance based on acknowledging the core values of community.  Rather than attempting to directly weld contending forces into a single conversation, the group might emerge with a natural inherent affinity among its membership, and an inspirational body of central core agreements that could be explicitly identified.

This kind of group might be developed as a network of community agencies and churches concerned with the broad ideals of community, who recognize the value of diversity, and emerge with a kind of secular/spiritual vision for local and national health in a climate of diversity, based on enlightened common ground.  If this kind of visionary core alliance could be formed within a local community, it could then act as a convener for specific hot-button issues emerging within the community.  Seen this way, this work would be a kind of “pastoral mission to democracy” – bringing healing and vision and wisdom to our fractious and fragmented governance.

And this approach, I am guessing, would be replicable at regional or national levels, as this “new hope for democracy based on community” grew in strength, recognition and credibility.  It could incorporate the diverse ideals of contending groups today (freedom versus responsibility”, etc.) in its fundamental definition, and present itself as consistent with the highest ideals of American tradition.

What I like about this approach is that it begins by identifying common ideals, and is intended to grow over time through a gradual process of inclusion based on personal relationships and a growing recognition of this new (yet ancient) vision of community as the core ideal of democracy.  It is not bluntly confrontational, and every step can be approached through a kind of mediated diplomacy that recognizes concerns and reassures diverse stakeholders that their perspective is being heard and received.  Developed this way, it can expand its breadth of inclusion in a step-by-step bridge-building process that creates liaison between groups that today may be confrontationally divided.

My own instinct is to start at what might be described as the “spiritual core of community” – perhaps mediated through a kind of interfaith or “interspiritual” network of churches, spiritual groups, and community agencies with spiritual or community-centric overtones.  This work could be seen as developing a new vision for The Spirit of Community – informed by sources that are secular and humanistic (and even atheistic) as well as spiritual and religious, and based on a kind of emerging common ground that – as some of us see it – is just beginning to appear in the framework of the American national conversation.

One visionary new book on this subject is The Coming Interspiritual Age, by Kurt Johnson and Robert Ord.

The authors have put together a very attractive full-color 200-page “Ezine” about the themes of the book athttp://issuu.com/yorkmin/docs/the_coming_interspiritual_age

This book is a very hopeful – and, I believe, realistic – overview of an emerging new common ground in religion and spirituality, offering a powerful and profound new approach to understanding “the heart of community”.  This new approach is still in formation, yes – but it’s becoming clearer – and I’d say it makes a strong contribution towards bridging the very challenging tension between “the secular” and “the sacred”, through a process that refines values into a simple universal form that emerges as a kind of connective tissue between otherwise widely diverse and even oppositional groups and ideologies.

A starting point…

So, seen this way, a long-range strategy for developing a comprehensive national dialogue infrastructure might begin by developing a “vision of community” that is comprehensive and balanced, and through that core vision, begin to develop a kind of broad community alliance that can then act as a mediator and facilitator for the hundreds or thousands of issues and the endlessly diverse perspectives on those issues that are presently overloading and dividing and fragmenting (and gridlocking) the American process of informed self-governance….


Bruce Schuman
(805) 966-9515 Santa Barbara
http://interspirit.net | http://sharedpurpose.net | http://bridgeacrossconsciousness.net

From: NCDD Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sandy Heierbacher
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:39 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: [NCDD-DISCUSSION] Revisiting the national dialogue project Let's Talk America

Hi, folks!  Please read over this post I added to the NCDD blog today. I'm revisiting the first national dialogue project NCDD was involved in, as a way to engage our community about what truly would motivate you to participate in large-scale, distributed dialogue efforts.  Would you please read over this post (and maybe check out some of the materials, like the Utne Reader ad and article Let's Talk America that I just unearthed), add your thoughts to the blog at http://ncdd.org/11055?

I, the NCDD Board, and many others in our field would love to learn from you about how best we can move forward on large-scale, distributed efforts together, with the involvement and commitment of as many NCDD members as possible.  I thought revisiting Let's Talk America would be a fun way for us to dive into this discussion.

Sandy Heierbacher
Director, National Coalition for Dialogue & Deliberation
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