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NCDD-DISCUSSION  July 2007, Week 1

NCDD-DISCUSSION July 2007, Week 1

Subject:

Re: How do we hold our enemies with compassion?

From:

Warren Blackford <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Warren Blackford <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:34:22 -0800

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For me, there can be no "problems" in present moment awareness.
"Problems" are the stories I tell myself, the ones I make up in time.
There is only the present moment to observe and respond to what is now
and that is not a problem.  When I surrender to the
temptation/compulsion to perceive "patterns endlessly repeating
themselves" as problems, I unconsciously step once again back into the
fallacy of time.  In fact, I cannot even discern a "repeating pattern"
without narrowing my understanding to an event/story I have
experienced and labeled through time.  To do so is to close myself off
to the infinite possibilities of the moment, i.e. to think rather than
to be.
Dale

On 7/5/07, Kenoli Oleari <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Howard Ward wrote:
>
> >> In the end what all of this is about is that there is nothing to
> >> achieve, nowhere to go; we are already there.  We simply have to "be
> >> here now."  It is a big permission to quit trying and appreciate what
> >> we are already experiencing.  It's all happening whether we are
> >> conscious of it or not.
> >>
> >> --Kenoli
> >
> >
> > **Hello Kenoli - Due to the many possible ways we humans seem to
> > often mis-interpret what another person is suggesting, a red-flag
> > seems to always go up for me whenever someone 'appears' to suggest
> > that all we need do is simply "be here now."
> >
> > The common mis-interpretation which seems to raise the red flag is
> > the interpretation that this suggestion means in essence that we
> > would no longer need to concern ourselves with any of life's 'so-
> > called problems'.
>
> Yes, I wonder where that misinterpretation comes from.  Possibly from
> the wishful thinking of the person doing the misinterpreting.
>
> Of course, how would it be possible to be fully present without being
> fully engaged?  Being present isn't about disengaging, it is about
> engaging.  It's about engaging with real experience rather than being
> hooked by an image of what is going on.  Think of Ghandi.  I think
> that our idea of conflict, our definition of enemy, our focus on
> problem solving, are all ways of disconnecting, of turning real
> experience into objects so we don't have to make real connection and
> then hacking away at those objects.  This freezes stuff in time and
> makes it very hard to find deeper possibilities that might free us
> from the patterns the seem to endlessly repeat.
>
> --Kenoli
>
> >
> > What I understand this 'change in perspective' to really refer to
> > is a letting go of the 'ego-agenda' of trying to make the world
> > conform to some abstract ideal of perfection. The ironic thing
> > about letting go of 'fixing the world' (trying to make it conform
> > to an ideal), is that this letting go frees the person from this
> > (sometimes) all consuming idealogically-driven agenda which allows
> > them to then be more attentive and responsive to lifes challenges
> > and demands for a response. When the human mind isn't occupied with
> > a pre-existing agenda it enables the person to be more fully
> > attentive to what's actually going on and what response seems to be
> > called for.
> >
> > It's not that we stop helping or doing, it's just that the action
> > comes out of awareness rather than out of an ideology associated
> > with a self-image. That basically changes the 'concern' from a
> > concern about the world being like we desire it to a concern for
> > any hardships or suffering we may become aware of.
> >
> > I agree with you about the nature of Bohm's 'suspending' what we
> > know. I always feel I need to try and clarify this point when I'm
> > explaining Bohm's dialogue proposal to someone new to the process.
> >
> > I also agree that Bohm's approach is one of the best approaches to
> > 'going deeper' into this issue of how stereotypes & other aspects
> > of thought are affecting our behavior. Many of the other dialogue
> > approaches are more oriented (it seems to me) towards the important
> > work of conflict resolution. But few (to my limited understanding)
> > seem to encourage the direct observation of 'what thought is
> > doing', which was a major focus for David Bohm's work.
> >
> > Or atleast, that's my understanding of it.
> >
> > I think Saundra was correct to suggest that "We cannot do without
> > this mechanism" which results in stereotypes, and, I also feel you
> > are correct that "Visible assumptions lose their power." This is
> > one of the many reasons why I agree with David Bohm's suggestion
> > that we not only need to have proprioception of our physical body,
> > we also need to have a proprioception of what 'thought is doing' so
> > that false assumptions can be observed, understood, and lose their
> > destructive power.
> >
> > Regards - Howard Ward
> >
>
>
>
> Kenoli Oleari
> 1801 Fairview Street
> Berkeley, CA  94703
> Neighborhood Assemblies Network
> 510-601-8217, [log in to unmask]
> http://www.sfnan.org, http://www.horizonsofchange.com
>

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