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NCDD-DISCUSSION  July 2007, Week 1

NCDD-DISCUSSION July 2007, Week 1

Subject:

Re: How do we hold our enemies with compassion?

From:

Howard Ward <[log in to unmask]>

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Howard Ward <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:32:32 -0400

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>In the end what all of this is about is that there is nothing to  
>achieve, nowhere to go; we are already there.  We simply have to "be  
>here now."  It is a big permission to quit trying and appreciate what  
>we are already experiencing.  It's all happening whether we are  
>conscious of it or not.
>
>--Kenoli


**Hello Kenoli - Due to the many possible ways we humans seem to often mis-interpret what another person is suggesting, a red-flag seems to always go up for me whenever someone 'appears' to suggest that all we need do is simply "be here now."

The common mis-interpretation which seems to raise the red flag is the interpretation that this suggestion means in essence that we would no longer need to concern ourselves with any of life's 'so-called problems'. 

What I understand this 'change in perspective' to really refer to is a letting go of the 'ego-agenda' of trying to make the world conform to some abstract ideal of perfection. The ironic thing about letting go of 'fixing the world' (trying to make it conform to an ideal), is that this letting go frees the person from this (sometimes) all consuming idealogically-driven agenda which allows them to then be more attentive and responsive to lifes challenges and demands for a response. When the human mind isn't occupied with a pre-existing agenda it enables the person to be more fully attentive to what's actually going on and what response seems to be called for.

It's not that we stop helping or doing, it's just that the action comes out of awareness rather than out of an ideology associated with a self-image. That basically changes the 'concern' from a concern about the world being like we desire it to a concern for any hardships or suffering we may become aware of.

I agree with you about the nature of Bohm's 'suspending' what we know. I always feel I need to try and clarify this point when I'm explaining Bohm's dialogue proposal to someone new to the process.

I also agree that Bohm's approach is one of the best approaches to 'going deeper' into this issue of how stereotypes & other aspects of thought are affecting our behavior. Many of the other dialogue approaches are more oriented (it seems to me) towards the important work of conflict resolution. But few (to my limited understanding) seem to encourage the direct observation of 'what thought is doing', which was a major focus for David Bohm's work.

Or atleast, that's my understanding of it.

I think Saundra was correct to suggest that "We cannot do without this mechanism" which results in stereotypes, and, I also feel you are correct that "Visible assumptions lose their power." This is one of the many reasons why I agree with David Bohm's suggestion that we not only need to have proprioception of our physical body, we also need to have a proprioception of what 'thought is doing' so that false assumptions can be observed, understood, and lose their destructive power.

Regards - Howard Ward

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